South California 51st State

eaustinn36 wrote:Oh hell no to this, for many reasons.

First off, splitting an entire state for political reasons (democrat vs Republican) has got to be the most ridiculus reason i've heard so far. Here is a fact: EVERY state is divided between political parties. No party holds a 100% majority, not even a 75% majority (although i think Hawaii comes close).

Furthermore, 51 states doesn't look good on a flag. People have been trying to get Puerto Rico added and that didn't go.

IF they really want to split California for this reason, then they better split every other state as well, making it 100 states. All this is, is a plow by republicans to make more conserve states, upsetting a political balance.

If you live in Cali and don't like it, then simply leave; you have 49 other states to choose from, like Arizona next door.

This will never happen, and Cali is staying Blue.

SACRAMENTO.
It's like they're from another planet, anything they do makes California 10x more broke...

Also, I don't see that big of a deal with 51 states. (No matter who it is really)

Also, Arizona isn't as conservative as you would think. Suffice it to say, Except for Sacramento, San Francisco and Los Angeles, it's (CA) a conservative state.

I'm good for it simply for the fact that the Democrat controlled government practically destroyed this state's economy is the past ten years. Nobody in these metropolitan areas, except for San Diego seems to care! Education is in the toilet, unemployment is horrible and there's water shortages up the ass. You can't even water your lawns here!

You say Sacramento, I say Detroit, Miami, etc..

Most Urban cities are traditionally blue, and most rural areas are traditionally red. Any other state could apply that logic, even New York. I know people in mid-state that hate every aspect of NYC and other major cities, but you don't hear them calling for state division.

Instead of running away from the problem, maybe the state's elected officials should address it? Or maybe just a MINORITY of the population think it is even a problem to begin with. Again, just leave if you don't like it. you say Arizona isn't right, fine. Look t a political map: If you go basically anywhere just east of cali, you're in wave after wave of red states. the mid-west (and southern mid-west) are primarily conservative. There is always Texas as well.. not much further than Arizona.

EDIT: By that logic, every state is a conservative state then. New York (minus the main cities) is a very conservative state. Besides, it is based on population. You may only say 3 cities, but if those cities hold the majority of the population, then it is majority wins.

eaustinn36 wrote:Instead of running away from the problem, maybe the state's elected officials should address it? Or maybe just a MINORITY of the population think it is even a problem to begin with. Again, just leave if you don't like it. you say Arizona isn't right, fine. Look t a political map: If you go basically anywhere just east of cali, you're in wave after wave of red states. the mid-west (and southern mid-west) are primarily conservative. There is always Texas as well.. not much further than Arizona.

Isn't this running away as well?

In any case, the majority of the state's officials are from San Francisco, Sacramento and LA. Obviously because the populations here are higher.

San Diego is an exception to the case. Mostly conservative, so they're the only ones who can "stand up", to the other metropolitan areas. The rest of the state is conservative as well, but it's also loosely populated, so that's a problem.

I don't need to tell you how that could be a problem and how the other side doesn't really get to voice opinion. Vice versa if it was the other way around.

Now you can see why some people might think it's a good idea. I kind of go on and off with the idea, but I'd really like to see a change in power around here.

And there are thousands in NY who want to see a change as well. Again, you can say that about any state.

As for your first part, I was just providing alternates to a divided state, despite them being conflicting.

See the edit in my last post, I think you missed it.

Thanks, I did miss that.

There are holdouts in all of those cities, and majority does rule, but I don't know if NY is in such trouble like California is. I can't really comment on that.

All I'm saying is the Democrat government here is in control, for ten years, and now we're past bankrupt, destroyed by runaway spending.

Jagdgeschwader wrote:Thanks, I did miss that.

There are holdouts in all of those cities, and majority does rule, but I don't know if NY is in such trouble like California is. I can't really comment on that.

All I'm saying is the Democrat government here is in control, for ten years, and now we're past bankrupt, destroyed by runaway spending.

Well yeah I understand your viewpoint, but a division is extreme and unprecedented. NY has had it's problems with wall street; granted Cali is worse off, but NY budget isn't beautiful. Besides, the issue I see you stating now seems more like the common political conflict on a national level, rather than state.

It would seem huh? But no, California could've been it's own country not too long ago, (I'm referring to decades) and while it mirrors our national government, it's very much a state problem too. (At least here)

Not every state spends themselves into a black hole.

Well, again i see your opinion, and even if I were to agree with you (which i dont), it wouldnt matter, because realistically I do not see this happening (the federal govt wouldn't allow it probably for one).

Jagdgeschwader wrote:Mira Mesa. North of MCAS Miramar.

You know this conversation just got odder because you don't want to live in a state of "uneducated conservative rednecks" yet you live in Southern California which excluding LA is primarily conservative.

Come to think of it, this entire state except for Sacramento, San Francisco and LA is conservative.

I live here not for a political party as you do, I live here because california is one of the most prosperous and beautiful states in the US. and I have to disagree with your claim of "the whole state is republican" because every election we seem to go blue anyway we don't need more conservatives because they are stuborn and unable to compromise even in a nations time of need. and Boenher or whatever his name is is a gosh darn pussy who only cares about keeping his taxes low so he keeps his money, abortions and gay marriage. soo yeah

Damn corrupt politicians everywhere in this country.

I would feel uncomfortable if the state of California divided into two separate states. That means that there would be 51 states instead of 50, and I have an OCD about odd numbers. The number of states should remain at 50!

But no, seriously. America's already in debt so deeply. Diving California into two states would just be a waste of taxpayers' money. There's no real need for dividing the state.

SlashmanG wrote:I live here not for a political party as you do, I live here because california is one of the most prosperous and beautiful states in the US. and I have to disagree with your claim of "the whole state is republican" because every election we seem to go blue anyway we don't need more conservatives because they are stuborn and unable to compromise even in a nations time of need. and Boenher or whatever his name is is a gosh darn pussy who only cares about keeping his taxes low so he keeps his money, abortions and gay marriage. soo yeah

A couple things wrong with your assessment.

1. You live here because your parents do.
2. I love California because it's my home state and it hurts me to see it go down the drain
3. Look at a county to county vote rate, not a state.
4. Your Democrats think that raising taxes and raising the debt ceiling is the only way to fix an economy and it's not. I'd love to see Obama get reelected on raising taxes when the last president to do so was FDR.

*Hint hint* It's because of WWII and fighting true evil.

With no mean to disrespect you have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. This state hasn't been prosperous since Sacramento drained our economy years ago. Do you even live in California? This state has NO MONEY AT ALL.

Stop repeating small clippings of what your parents say watching the news. Actually read a newspaper or watch multiple news sources.